Golden Touch Craps Review: Claims and Evidence
Dice control · Marketing-claim review · Updated August 2026
Golden Touch Craps currently sells seminars, books, videos, and practice equipment around the claim that a trained shooter can influence casino dice enough to overcome the house edge. The business is real and the teaching may improve a person’s throwing routine. The unresolved issue is whether independently verifiable evidence shows a repeatable, wager-specific casino advantage.
CrapsPit’s verdict
Golden Touch makes testable advantage claims, but the public material reviewed does not provide the controlled, complete, independently audited data needed to establish them. Testimonials, selected long rolls, instructor records, and comparisons with athletic skill are not substitutes for a predeclared casino-relevant experiment.
What Golden Touch claims
As of August 2026, the Golden Touch Craps website advertises 2026 seminar dates and says students can learn to win by controlling dice. Its FAQ distinguishes dice control from a betting system and argues that trained shooters can “de-randomize” the game, turn a negative expectation positive, and measure an edge through recorded practice and casino sessions.
The site also says results depend on skill and practice and does not guarantee that every student will win. That qualification matters, but it does not make the underlying advantage claim self-proving. A claim can be non-guaranteed and still require strong evidence.
What is being sold in 2026
The current site promotes multi-day seminars in several U.S. cities, private instruction, a book and video package, and home practice tables or rigs. That means a prospective student is not evaluating a free theory alone. Tuition, travel, accommodation, equipment, practice time, and later casino losses can make the total cost materially larger than the advertised class price.
A useful class and a proven gambling edge are separate propositions. Instruction can be organized, entertaining, and professionally delivered without establishing that the technique changes casino outcomes enough to make a legal wager profitable.
| Public claim or evidence | What it can show | What remains unresolved |
|---|---|---|
| Instructor and student session records | What selected participants recorded under their own process | Completeness, selection rules, independence, conditions, and audit trail |
| Long-roll examples | That an unusual sequence occurred | Whether it occurred more often than chance predicts across all attempts |
| Testimonials | Customer experience and belief | Objective change in dice probabilities and net expectation |
| A repeatable throwing technique | Consistency of grip, stance, or delivery | Whether both dice retain enough influence after flight, landing, collisions, and the back wall |
| Casino wins | A player finished selected sessions ahead | Whether results exceed normal variance after all sessions and wagers are included |
Dice setting is not the same as dice control
A shooter can choose the starting orientation of the dice. That is dice setting. To create an advantage, the orientation and delivery must change the final distribution of totals after the dice travel down a casino table, strike the surface, interact with one another, and satisfy the house requirement to reach the back wall. A controlled-looking toss is not itself evidence that final outcomes are non-random.
Why a home practice rig is not the final test
A home rig can help repeat grip, stance, launch point, and landing target. It may have different felt, padding, wall material, dimensions, dice, and enforcement from a live casino. A shooter can also retrieve and repeat throws under ideal conditions without table traffic or crew timing.
Transfer must therefore be demonstrated under casino-valid conditions. Results collected on a short practice station cannot simply be treated as the same distribution that will occur after a full throw into a casino back wall.
Why self-recorded casino sessions are weak proof
- Selection bias: successful shooters, sessions, or roll sequences may be remembered and shared more often.
- Stopping rules: ending a record after a target or discarding warm-up throws can change the sample.
- Changing conditions: table bounce, dice, distance, crew enforcement, position, and fatigue vary.
- Multiple comparisons: searching many dice sets, totals, and betting outcomes increases the chance that something looks unusual.
- Wager mismatch: reducing sevens would not automatically create an edge on every bet; the altered distribution and payout must be specified.
Golden Touch compares past shooting records with a baseball batting average. The analogy leaves out an important difference: professional sports statistics are produced under standardized public competition with extensive third-party records. Private casino logs typically do not have the same completeness or independent verification.
What a credible test would require
- Predeclare the shooter, technique, table conditions, dice, target effect, sample size, and exclusions.
- Use casino-relevant throw rules, including a valid back-wall requirement.
- Record every attempt with an auditable method and no discretionary deletion.
- Choose the statistical test and significance threshold before seeing results.
- Report all totals and relevant dice faces, not only the desired measure.
- Replicate the result with independent observers and preferably independent shooters.
- Translate the measured distribution into the expectation of a specific legal wager after commission and house rules.
The 2025 paper “Testing for dice control at craps” provides a statistical framework for evaluating roll data. A testing framework does not validate Golden Touch or any other seller; it shows the kind of sample design and analysis that a serious claim requires.
What evidence would change CrapsPit’s conclusion?
The verdict is not based on a belief that physical influence is philosophically impossible. It is based on the public evidence currently available. A preregistered, independently observed, casino-relevant test with complete data could be analyzed. Replication by unaffiliated shooters would make the result more persuasive.
- Publish the protocol before data collection.
- Make complete anonymized roll data available.
- Document every excluded or invalid throw.
- Use independent observers and analysis.
- Repeat the result on more than one regulation table.
- Show the expectation change for a specific wager after all costs and rules.
If such evidence survives replication, CrapsPit should update its position. Until then, the financial burden belongs with the seller making the advantage claim—not with the reader asked to disprove testimonials.
The wager-specific break-even problem
“Fewer sevens” is not a complete advantage statement. Pass, Don’t Pass, Place, Come, hardways, and proposition bets depend on different events and payouts. A shooter would need to demonstrate a stable change in the relevant probability large enough to overcome that wager’s house edge under the actual rules. The bet must be declared before results are analyzed.
Questions to ask before paying for instruction
- Is there a complete dataset that an independent analyst can inspect?
- Were the hypothesis, sample size, and exclusions specified in advance?
- Were casino-valid throws used, including back-wall contact?
- Has the result been independently replicated?
- Which exact wager gains an edge, and how is that edge calculated?
- Are losing students and failed tests represented, or only testimonials?
- What is the full cost of tuition, travel, practice equipment, and casino testing?
- Does the refund policy depend on subjective judgments about student effort?
A fair conclusion
Students may enjoy the class, learn craps terminology, develop a consistent ritual, or feel more comfortable handling the dice. Those are different outcomes from proving a positive mathematical expectation. CrapsPit has not found public independent evidence that justifies treating Golden Touch instruction as a reliable way to beat casino craps.
That does not justify casually calling every instructor or student dishonest. People can sincerely interpret streaks, personal records, and practice improvement as proof. The consumer-protection problem is the gap between sincere belief and evidence strong enough to support a money-making claim.
For the broader evidence review, read does dice control work?, how casino dice are thrown, and why streaks do not prove control.
I’m not trying to discount what you say, just wanted to point something out. When you talk about randomization of the dice by the back wall and from hitting chips, you disregard the fact that this dice control stuff is all about limiting said randomization. The idea, as I understand it, is to hit a specific place on the layout, bounce gently into the back wall, and come to rest with as little motion as possible, thus (in their minds) reducing the randomization of the dice. Because if you can upset the odds even a little bit (for example, throw a 7 five times, or even 5.5 times, in every 36 rolls instead of six times), and then bet appropriately, you could reduce the vig against you just enough to gain a slight edge. That’s what they say, anyway. I have no experience with it in practice, just thought the concept should be a little more clearly defined.
Hi, Nick, welcome to the Crapspit and thank you for the comment.
We agree with you about the need to define “dice control” in terms of limiting the randomization, as you put it, and we do exactly that in our other article titled, The Dice Control Scam: Don’t Fall for It! That article is referenced three times (linked and highlighted with red text) within the body of our article on Golden Touch Craps. Near the beginning of that other article, we define dice control as a way to influence dice-roll outcomes (i.e., another way of saying “limiting said randomization”). We encourage you, and all our visitors, to read that other article (The Dice Control Scam: Don’t Fall for It) for more detailed information about dice control and why we believe it’s a scam. https://www.crapspit.org/dice-control-scam/
Also, please note that when we reference another article with highlighted text and/or an embedded link, we do so because we believe the referenced article contains noteworthy information associated with the subject and it’s to the reader’s advantage to follow those links to the referenced material.
Now, let’s get back to the subject of dice control. No matter how minimally a person might be able to limit the motion of the dice while flying through the air, when the dice hit the tabletop and bounce into the pyramid rubber, any and all control that the person might have had over the dice is completely lost. No matter how softly the dice hit the tabletop or the back wall, the pyramid rubber does its job of producing a random roll.
Three questions you should always ask yourself when reading bull manure from scammers and board posters who brag about dice control actually working are: (1) Why does the casino require the shooter to hit the back wall which is lined with pyramid rubber; (2) Do you honestly think the casino industry (by means of contracting with a reputable testing facility) has not performed exhaustive testing to determine the functionality of the pyramid rubber; and (3) Do you honestly believe casinos would allow a dice-control shooter to play at their tables if exhaustive testing did not conclusively demonstrate that the pyramid rubber satisfactorily performs its function of producing a random roll regardless of how softly the dice hit the rubber?
When you say you don’t have any experience with it in practice, we interpret that as meaning you’ve never fallen for the scam and never bought books or DVDs or taken a seminar on it. That’s good!
However, you’ll quickly experience it indirectly at a full table because there are always one or two idiots who believe in it and go through the time-consuming and silly sequence of setting the dice at the proper orientation, then taking the precise grip and pressure on the dice, and then pausing to control their breathing, and then contorting their arm in some ridiculous motion to launch the dice at the perfect speed and arc, only to bounce ever so softly against the back wall resulting in a losing 7-out. Their idiocy affects not only you but everyone at the table because their antics do nothing but delay the game. Everyone at the table is too polite to shout what they’re all thinking, “Hurry up and shoot already, you moron!” We hope you, and all our readers, never become so desperate with the hope of winning easy money that you fall for such nonsense.
I just received an email for some upcoming training seminars and noticed that an “add-on” to the price of the seminar is a “complementary private lunch with Frank and Dom” for $50 per day. A complementary lunch should be free, not $50 per day. Another sales pitch to get more money out of us poor suckers.
I am a dice setter and I can tell you that if someone is trying to set the dice and takes more than 5-7 seconds to set and deliver the dice they are not true setters.
IE: if a shooter is looking for a specific side of the dice by looking at most of the surfaces, that shooter does not know that the top and bottom surfaces of the die = 7 such that if the top surface of the die is 4 the 3 is on the bottom of that die. Taking two dice into consideration the top and bottom surfaces = 14. Therefore if the top surface of a pair of dice is 3,5 (total of 8) the bottom surfaces are 4,2(total of 6). A good setter will observe the dice coming from the stick man and be able to set the top an vertical surfaces within 5 seconds or less.
A true setter will set the top and vertical surface of the dice. IE the standard 3V top surface for the two dice is 3,3 and the vertical surfaces facing the shooter is 5,1 .
Most setters are trying to avoid the seven as apposed to hitting a specific number.
You are 100% correct in stating that the casinos have designed the tables, backboards, felt and dice to prevent a consistent result.
You are 100% correct in stating that placement of players chips can block the shooters target zones.
You are also 100% correct in stating non setters might have the best result at the table during a specific time segment.
But on average the true setters will have a better roll and more numbers repeated during their good time segment.
Just as there are professional sports players (because of their physical characteristics and their mental toughness and training) that can do things that the average player can only dream of there are shooters that have skills that separate them from other shooters.
The amateur tennis player buys the Roger Fedderer Tennis racquet and shoes and Tennis Magazine or the amateur golfer buy the Tiger Woods Golf set and Videos. YES, LOTS OF LUCK WITH THAT.
To do something well requires the TIME , EFFORT AND MENTAL TOUGHNESS to produce the required result. Must people do not have that.
Gambling is not YOU AGAINST THE CASINO IT YOU AGAINST YOU.
Paraphrasing the DIce Doctor “Human nature makes the casino advantage look like a piker.”
Casinos have barred Dice setters or any dice player that shows that they can win consistently.
Yes, Yes it is expensive to learn dice influence by attending the seminars and the results are mixed. As I said, some people do not have the necessary mental and physical attributes.
The nice part about the die game is that you are not required to shoot.
DO EVERYONE A FAVOR IF YOU DO NOT FEEL CONFIDENT PASS THE DICE.
Hi Diceguy, thanks for your post.
It’s apparent that no amount of discussion against your belief in dice control will ever change your mind. That’s okay, we respect your belief. We welcome our readers to research both sides of the debate and decide for themselves if dice control is something they want to spend money on. But, as we state at the end of our article, if our readers try it and don’t find any improvement in their win/loss ratio after spending thousands of dollars on seminars, books, tutorials, DVDs, practice tables and boxes, etc., then they can’t say the Crapspit didn’t warn them. Our view of dice control is already clearly explained in our articles, so it’s unnecessary to reiterate anything again here. However, we’d like to offer our view on some of your statements.
You state, “But on average, the true setters will have a better roll and more numbers repeated during their good time segment.” We don’t buy it. We know of no independent test results that clearly demonstrate a so-called dice-control specialist has any better luck than a random shooter. Show us the proof that makes your statement true. Not hearsay, not a story in a book, not a post on a craps forum, not a testimonial on a craps website, not some guy’s Excel spreadsheet of his results that he created as a marketing trick. We don’t accept GTC’s word, not your word, not anyone’s word except from an independent testing organization that’s not paid by a dice-control company to conduct the test.
We believe your analogies of the tennis player and golfer don’t apply to the game of craps. The tennis player and golfer don’t have anything to negate their skill (except maybe the wind). For example, they don’t have a mandatory obstacle that the ball must hit after each stroke for it to be considered a valid stroke. Unlike the tennis player and golfer, the craps shooter cannot avoid the mandatory obstacle (i.e., the back wall with pyramid rubber) that the dice must hit that negates any skilled influence the shooter might think he has on the dice. No matter how skilled the shooter is at controlling the flight path of the dice from the time they leave the shooter’s fingertips to when they hit the back wall, the pyramid rubber along the back wall ALWAYS negates any control the shooter may have had while the dice were flying in the air. The instant the dice hit the back wall, the roll becomes random. ALWAYS. We at the Crapspit stand firm in our belief that the pyramid rubber always does its job of producing a random roll, regardless of any control the shooter might have had over the dice before they hit the back wall.
You state, “Yes, it is expensive to learn dice influence by attending the seminars and the results are mixed. As I said, some people do not have the necessary mental and physical attributes.” So, the logical question our readers should ask is, are students clearly informed (i.e., not hidden in tiny, fine print) in advance of paying the seminar fee (or in advance of buying that $8,000 practice craps table, or in advance of buying that $100 set of DVDs) that there’s a very good chance they don’t have what it takes to become skilled enough at shooting dice to make any difference in their win/loss ratio? If the answer is yes, then it’s a simple matter of buyer beware. If the seller is honest with the buyer and informs the buyer that the chances are good that he’s wasting his money, then the buyer gets what he deserves.
You state, “Casinos have barred dice setters or any dice player that shows that they can win consistently.” We don’t buy it. Many of our craps-playing readers claim to maintain consistent positive balances over several months on the “Tax Info” tab of their player’s club accounts (where the player’s club tracks wins/losses for the customer). Not one of our readers has ever informed us that they were denied service at the craps table because of their near-term consistent positive balance. Casinos know all consistent craps winners eventually lose. We don’t believe anyone (especially the infamous so-called dice doctors) have been banned from playing craps solely because of their dice-shooting skill. Just because someone said they were barred for a particular reason doesn’t mean it’s true. We could believe people have been barred because their dice-setting antics delayed or otherwise disrupted the game, but not just because they consistently won. Show us the proof, such as a video of the shooter being barred because he won too much, or a letter signed by a legitimate casino official, or anything legitimate. Not hearsay, not a story in a book, not a post on a craps forum, not a testimonial on a craps website. Something legitimate. We doubt such proof exists. Don’t just regurgitate the dice doctors’ claims and old war stories of days long ago. Show us legitimate proof that someone has been barred from playing craps for the sole reason of winning too consistently. By the way, some of us here at the Crapspit have played craps countless times for more than 40 years and we’ve never seen anyone refused service because they won too much. We’ve seen craps players barred and thrown out for drunkenness, overuse of profanity, belligerence, etc., but never simply because they won too consistently.
And finally, you state, “Gambling is not you against the casino, it’s you against you.” We disagree, but we understand your opinion. Because of your belief in dice control, we understand your belief that the outcomes can be influenced by your skill; thereby, affecting the uncertainty of the outcomes. However, because we don’t believe in dice control, we believe the outcomes are equally uncertain for everyone including the dice setter; therefore, gambling is, indeed, you against the casino. What makes it even worse is that you’re playing a game stacked against you by virtue of the casino odds on every bet except the Free Odds bet. So, not only are you wagering on uncertain outcomes (the definition of gambling), your wagers aren’t fair because the casino has a built-in advantage.
Thanks again for your post. Maybe someday we’ll meet in a casino and you can show us your dice-setting skills. If you prove us wrong about the notion of dice control, then we’ll accept it and update the website. But in the meantime, we’ll continue helping our readers by giving them an opposing view of dice control.
I was for a while a believer in Golden Touch. I now after several years of using their methods and reading their books believe it is nonsense. I do enjoy the books that Frank writes so I will still read those but their notion of Dice Control is total BS. It is funny that in his last book he tells how he left Golden touch and his friends there ripped him off for over 50,000. Why would anyone in their right mind gibe money to thieves like that. I am sorry i ever did.
I can say that I have had some good rolls using their methods but I believe that was just random luck as I have had as many or more good rolls going back to not setting and just taking care when I roll the dice. I now get a good laugh when in Tunica I see all their students at the table taking time setting dice and most of the time going out in 3 or 4 rolls. Then they sit there at the table waiting for their next turn as they do not bet random rollers like us. The funny thing is some of the random rollers have big rolls and they just sit there and watch. I am sorry to say I was one of them for a while.
I think the light went on for me when I was frustrated and just decided on one trip to be a random roller and had one of my best trips ever. The best rolls I have seen have been the so called random roller so for me I am going that way and letting the Golden touch way go away.
I am glad I found this forum and hope to be part of this for years to come.
Thank You
Hello Harry!
Thank you for sharing your personal experience with dice control. We hope the information on this page & the comments can help others!
Thank you for this “complete” information. We all make better decisions when we have more information rather than just part of the information, don’t we? I always ask myself, if anyone, anywhere, had any system that consistently provided winning results, wouldn’t they eventually own every casino that exists? They wouldn’t have time to waste teaching classes. I don’t know anyone who gambles regularly that owns even one casino, at least not from gambling winnings. Not even the MIT blackjack guys. Not a single Billionaire in the bunch…
Not a single one 🙂